| I have interviewed an Air Force Crew
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| | if you don't show your mentors, the gods,
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| Chief: "What are the criteria for
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| | the crew chiefs, a desire to learn or
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| becoming a aerial gunner/navigator? Is it
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| | willingness to help out with maintenance
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| better than being a crew chief? First,
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| | effort - you will gain no credibility or
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| you need to join a unit that flies helos
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| | respect and your aspiring dreams to be a
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| if you want to be a gunner (aka Aerial
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| | fly-boy will be squashed to the amount of
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| observer A/O). You can't be a Crew chief
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| | a mis-formed cat turn that missed the
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| unless you lat move and go to the
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| | litter box."
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| schoolhouse for the MOS - there is an
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| | "Delta probably included the most info.
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| exception to that in the case of
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| | First you need to be in a squadron that
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| 'homegrown', but that's not in your cards
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| | 'need' aircrew. You can imagine, like
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| unless you've been flying as an A/O
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| | working at a tanning booth rubbing
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| previously."
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| | massage oil on hot ladies, Flying jobs
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| "Second - there has to be a need to have
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| | are easy to fill. 'Make yourself
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| you as an AO - squadrons only have so
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| | marketable'! You have to be able to swim
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| many people they can have on flight
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| | and you WILL need to be a Plane Captain.
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| orders at one time (it's all about the
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| | If you don't know what a Plane Captain is
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| money) and number of aircraft vs. T/O -
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| | then you should probably give up now."
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| it's all spelled out in the Training and
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| | "It depends on the squadron. I was a Huey
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| Readiness (T&R) manuals. Third - you need
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| | Crew Chief. We had the following chain of
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| to be recommended by the squadron in the
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| | Learning. Get on Flight Orders. Observer
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| form of a Standardization Board (Stan
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| | (Go to NVG Classes) Responsible to keep
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| Board) - which consists of the XO, Ops O,
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| | your side of the aircraft from hitting
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| Natops O - and a few of the more senior
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| | stuff at night. You really got to fly at
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| SNCOs who have been flying for a long
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| | night unless needed for another mission.
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| time)."
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| | Gunners (Take the Gun Syllabus) are
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| "Fourth - you need to be fit for the duty
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| | responsible for shooting all targets on
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| - swim quall, physiology and a flight
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| | your side. 'Also', responsible to 'not'
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| physical. Fifth - If you make it this far
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| | shoot remember , you get whatever gun the
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| - you should be able to start flying an
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| | Crew Chief does 'not' want to shoot that
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| initial A/O flight syllabus which
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| | day."
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| includes different types of flight
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| | "We had 3 gun quails M60, .50 cal, and
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| regimes."
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| | Mini Gun. Crew Chief are responsible for
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| "It depends on aircraft maintenance,
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| | 'every' thing. You are the senior guy in
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| aircraft availability and scheduling -
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| | the back and make 'all' decisions from
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| and if you don't show your mentors,
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| | the back of the pilots head to the rear
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| the'gods', the crew chiefs, a desire to
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| | of the bird. You are the go to guy for
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| learn or willingness to help out with
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| | the pilots for mechanical issues and make
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| maintenance effort - you will gain no
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| | sure nothing falls out. "
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| credibility or respect and your aspiring
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| | "You are equally responsible to keep the
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| dreams to be a fly-boy will be squashed
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| | plane in the air as the pilot". Each
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| to the amount of a mis-formed cat turn
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| | mission is different. As a Crew Chief you
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| that missed the litter box."
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| | can fly as an observer -- but, as an
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| "There is a gunner/observer that is part
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| | observer you 'cannot' fly as a Crew
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| (part time that is) of a helo crew. No it
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| | Chief. My squadron did not wing you until
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| is not better than being a Crew Chief.
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| | you finished the Crew Chief syllabus. We
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| Although if you are in another shop and
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| | had guys in fight suits with EGA's
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| not a Crew Chief, then yes, it is a cool
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| | instead of wings because they were
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| extra gig to do."
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| | gunners 'not' Crew Chiefs. I 'think' the
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| "Remember, Crew Chiefs are god like. And
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| | C-130 may use an enlisted navigator.
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